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Post by -LastonX- Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:37 am

A study found that youngsters smacked up to the age of six did better at school and were more optimistic about their lives than those never hit by their parents.

They were also more likely to undertake voluntary work and keener to attend university, experts discovered.

The research, conducted in the United States, is likely to anger children’s rights campaigners who have unsuccessfully fought to ban smacking in Britain.

Currently, parents are allowed by law to mete out "reasonable chastisement'' on their children, providing smacking does not leave a mark or bruise. These limits were clarified in the 2004 Children’s Act.

But children’s groups and MPs have argued that spanking is an outdated form of punishment that can cause long-term mental health problems.

Marjorie Gunnoe, professor of psychology at Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Michigan, said her study showed there was insufficient evidence to deny parents the freedom to determine how their children should be punished.

She said: “The claims made for not spanking children fail to hold up. They are not consistent with the data.

“I think of spanking as a dangerous tool, but there are times when there is a job big enough for a dangerous tool. You just don’t use it for all your jobs.”

The research questioned 179 teenagers about how often they were smacked as children and how old they were when they were last spanked.

Their answers were then compared with information they gave about their behaviour that could have been affected by smacking. This included negative effects such as anti-social behaviour, early sexual activity, violence and depression, as well as positives such as academic success and ambitions.

Those who had been smacked up to the age of six performed better in almost all the positive categories and no worse in the negatives than those never punished physically.

Teenagers who had been hit by their parents from age seven to 11 were also found to be more successful at school than those not smacked but fared less well on some negative measures, such as getting involved in more fights.

However, youngsters who claimed they were still being smacked scored worse than every other group across all the categories.

Prof Gunnoe found little difference in the results between sexes and different racial groups.

The findings were rejected by the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, which has fought to ban smacking.

A spokesman for the charity said: "The NSPCC believes that children should have the same legal protection from assault as adults do.

“Other research has shown that smacking young children affects their behaviour and mental development, and makes them more likely to be anti-social.”

However, Parents Outloud, the pressure group, welcomed the research, saying parents should not be criminalised for mild smacking.

Its spokeswoman, Margaret Morrissey, said: “It is very difficult to explain verbally to a young child why something they have done is wrong.

“A light tap is often the most effective way of teaching them not to do something that is dangerous or hurtful to other people – it is a preventive measure.

“While anything more than a light tap is definitely wrong, parents should be allowed the freedom to discipline their children without the fear that they will be reported to police.”

Aric Sigman, a psychologist and author of The Spoilt Generation: Why Restoring Authority will Make our Children and Society Happier, told the Sunday Times: “The idea that smacking and violence are on a continuum is a bizarre and fetishised view of what punishment or smacking is for most parents.

“If it’s done judiciously by a parent who is normally affectionate and sensitive to their child, our society should not be up in arms about that. Parents should be trusted to distinguish this from a punch in the face.”

Previous studies have suggested that smacking children can lead them to develop behavioural problems such as being more aggressive.

IMO, yes. Kids nowadays are selfish, obnoxious, bratty, stupid, hannah montanna, I could keep going. Need a good slap. Anecdotally, you'll find most of the more intelligent were most likely physically punished (and not physically abused, there is a difference between the two). All these wankers saying it's bad for your kids need to learn that there are extents of punishment, they are ruining their kids.

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Post by Yuirishu Moon Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:08 pm

"Anecdotally"

I take it you were smacked?
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Post by Gabe Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:44 pm

Uh... well this is a load of carp, not everyone turns out the way they were raised. A more logical and understandable argument, would be some kids who get smacked by their parents DON'T wanna grow up to be LIKE the Parent, so the try to be the opposite of the parent, I'm not saying anything bad, but, most parents, really are unsuccesful from the old economy drop, which surprisingly has died down in the news... at least I think. But, really? Kids getting smarter because they were smacked? No. JUST no. Smacking makes the kid store some anger, at the parent, with continued smacking, the anger gets up more, which isn't a problem if it's a kid, but when the kid becomes a teenager, they want to let that anger out, and it doesn't always resolve in the "PG, or Disney/Nickelodeon/Cartoon network" way of thinking, they do NOT become boxers or fighters to get anger out, so really... and... the only person I'll allow to correct me is someone with my similar beliefs.
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Post by Admin Old Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:56 pm

I was hit before, that didn't give me a more optimistic view on things at all. It made me think of my parents as immature or violent, moreso than respect them. There was a topic about this on another forum I go on, too...

My dad used to like to hit me, and honestly? It didn't do much. All it did is make me despise him and didn't make me afraid of it happening again or make me more intelligent, I became a decently intelligent person out of my own choice and work, not out of being smacked.

I personally think this whole thing is bull.

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Post by Rei Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:05 pm

Physical punishment is not effective at all if you were to ask me. It may be more likely to breed behavior that society deems to be acceptable, but society loves conformity, doesn't it? Now consider how specific each of these categories was; early sexual behavior, more optimistic towards life, and anti-social tendencies for example. These are bad things? There's something innately wrong about finding a way to handle your sex drive? Approaching life with the lack of critical thinking that inevitably leads to a degree of pessimism is desirable? And all introverts are inferior to extroverts?

Yeah, hitting your kids probably does keep them in line. But personally, I don't want my kids to stay in line and do as they're told. I want them to question everything, including and especially me, and to be free thinking and insubordinate. They can be humble and respectful respectful without being sheep who fit the perfect mold of cultural expectations, and they can (and if I have anything to say about it, WILL) define "success" on their own terms.

Collectivism is never a good thing. But hey, if you're looking for an excuse to beat your children, go right ahead and use this report to validate your behavior. It only makes me wonder who the child really is; see, adults have this little thing called "diplomacy" (də-ˈplō-mə-sē).
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Post by Datamon Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:29 am

Gabriel Asegawa wrote:"... the only person I'll allow to correct me is someone with my similar beliefs.
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Oh naughty, naughty Gerrby McMasonmercer. How cruel, only permitted those who have a clear resemblance to your opinion may correct it? If that’s the case I think I’ll buy you all an empty house. That way you can all have a big fun special box to think inside of. Not that I don’t respect your opinion on the matter, but it’s just so dull having people contribute to a discussion if they won’t hear the retorts.

Digressing from my taunting Gabriel, to my mind, several of you are misconstruing the point. Smacking children around increases their intellect? Absurd, it’s so absurd. But as a means to disciplining them, much less so. If you were to ask yourself, what is the number one key to being successful? Talent, willpower, education, charisma, focus? It would seem to me that the more inherent traits such as charisma are secondary compared to focus, being disciplined and educated to apply complete concentration regardless of the situation is the most necessary ability. Hollow out your mind of distractions and deny all things beyond the task at hand, if you can manage this, given a fair chance, along side a healthy mind and body, theirs no reason you wouldn’t be able to reach paragonal heights in all trainable aspects. It is the parent’s job to install these as necessities in the child’s mind with basic health oriented activities such as exercise and a proper diet. As for mental health, apart from positive reinforcement, parents should also make an effort to expose their child to things such as religion and foreign language at an early age, such experience allows them to make a more informed personal choices on what they desire to learn and believe later in life. Amidst all of this, its rather conceivable that some children will be so recalcitrant that the parents are unable to prepare them as they should, if corporeal punishment at the first stages of their life is the cost of insuring they can gain these experiences, it’s a minor and nominal measure to mete out.
It's just one more option to use responsibly.

In a personal capacity, I’ve never once been touched vehemently by my parents; though my father could most likely still stare me into submission with a glance or two.
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Post by Sachiko_K Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:59 am

After having read this with care, I can only say that it is all a bunch of poisonous lies spat by a supporter of the culture of fear and dictatorial authority. Giving your kid son or daughter a slap cross his/her face is not going to make him/her smarter just because. One thing is that kids today need discipline and be taught respect to others, specially their parents, educators and whatnot; saying that physical punishment will make them smarter, more optimistic and overall 'better' is a different one.

My father and mother have slapped me whenever I tried to make the world spin around me. It was a pretty normal thing, a punishment to arrogance and blatant lack of respect. But they also were understanding, and they supported me and helped me when I sought to fulfill my goals in life, with advice sometimes, with more direct actions other times. It is because of the education I have received, in which they took direct part, that I am what I am. What makes people 'better' is not a pair of slaps on the face, but an education that is based on mutual respect, which will of course include discipline, but dealt in an adequate manner, as a complement, not gratuitously.

tl;dr - Education is the main egine of the person's development, not violence.
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